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expect from their nato ally. the need to say the european nations can't pay ransom money to terrorist groups because that simply fuels them to buy arms and soldiers. >> michael: but is nato looking to the united states richard to be the nation that says okay you guys listen up what happened with germany and france they paid these ransoms and got these 18 people out, and now they have funded these groups? why is it incumbent upon the united states then to be -- you know -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> the united states pays more than two-thirds of the nato budget so we have a lion's share of influence. the money paid to save the germans and french backpackers, that trend has continued. now we have encouraged -- our allies have encouraged this industry by rewarding it with money, and instead of reacting -- using other means. >> michael: of course it is going to continue if it has worked. i want to ask you as someone who has a degree of expertise in this, where do you see this going now? and what would america's role be? on the ground, with drones? what is your tak
they should. >> why is nato still transferring the prisoners? >> to a certain extent, they have to under the agreements we made with the afghan government to begin drawing down our forces and begin turning over operations to them. the afghan government has demanded this. we have slowed it down more than we can technically under the agreements we have made with them. >> stuck the u.s. government care about this? >> we do care about it. we have resisted some of the requests of the cars i government. they have slowed down the transfer they agreed to. they are aware of these things. they are trying to transfer them to presence which have a better record than some of these places where they have done horrible things the u.n. documents. >> how concerned are you the government has rejected this report? it could turn around and say, you do not have a very clean copy. the torture exists within your band? >> i think the fact they are rejecting it will hurt them in the long term. what they will do is feed into the narrative of those who are opposed to the afghan government, like the taliban, and sa
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